Technics SL1200GR - smallest pitch control increment?

Hello All,

Does anyone know what the smallest unit of pitch is for the pitch slider on one of the new SL1200GR with digital pitch? I have the tech specs and it doesn't mention it that I can see, but I also recall seeing .02% being listed SOMEWHERE for this value. I just can't find the original source that made me think that. Anyone know for sure?

--Mark

Not sure on the answer and don't mean to throw shade on the topic, but as nice as the new tables are, the digital pitch control is inferior to the classic analog pitch control (with the notch/click at 0). Might not matter to most, but the digital pitch control is annoying and never really holds for those long mixes/transitions, like the analog can.

I've heard others say this too. I lowered the torque setting from 3 to 2 and was nailing my test blends earlier this week. So there's that. Will have to use it for 6 months or a year to really form an opinion. I found it to be so torquey at torque level = 3 that touching the platter barely effected it, but at torque level 2 everything is really smooth and gentle. I'm referring specifically to long blending house and techno.

musicalremedies
Not sure on the answer and don't mean to throw shade on the topic, but as nice as the new tables are, the digital pitch control is inferior to the classic analog pitch control (with the notch/click at 0). Might not matter to most, but the digital pitch control is annoying and never really holds for those long mixes/transitions, like the analog can.

Can you provide context on how long you practiced on the 1200GR, how long you owned it overall, and the environment that you tested it in? Was it high volume/high vibration club environment or carefully curated gentle home djing? Also do you know what torque setting was deployed?

Mark_Anthony
Does anyone know what the smallest unit of pitch is for the pitch slider on one of the new SL1200GR with digital pitch?

This is something I would be interested to know too.
To my knowledge Technics have never published this spec for any of their SL-1200 models with digital pitch (M5G / MK6 / G / GR / MK7 etc) but I have read that the MK7 has resolution of about 0.05% based on a user measuring it with DVS.
For comparison, recent Pioneer CDJ models have a published spec of 0.02% resolution at 6% range, 0.05% at 10% range.

Mark_Anthony
I found it to be so torquey at torque level = 3 that touching the platter barely effected it, but at torque level 2 everything is really smooth and gentle.

I've not mixed on the GR but with the G I couldn't mix on them with full torque. Backed it off a lot (all the way down and back up a quarter turn) and then they felt like a MK2.
Didn't try any long blends on the G but the pitch felt fine for short ones.

Thanks for the reply Chiz! Lets see if others weigh in too. .05% isnt as resolute as I would want, but that's still 20 positions between 0 and 1% on the slider, which might be all that you need anyways.

On the 1200GR there's 3 torque settings (discreet). Its not a dimmer adjustment. Your choices on this deck are 1,2,3.

I emailed Technics support about the resolution question. Will update if/when I hear back. My only real concern is that with .05% resolution (20 possible positions between 0 an 1%) for example, there's definitely the possibility of moving the slider and having the internal components not register any change, which for my OCD brain will require some training to get used to. Really hoping Technics writes me back.

Mark_Anthony
I emailed Technics support about the resolution question. Will update if/when I hear back.

Thanks. Looking forward to seeing what if anything they have to say on the subject.

I emailed them from my corporate and personal email about 2 weeks ago. No response.

Oh well, thanks for letting us know anyway.

I gave up on the 1200GR. To me the pitch is a complete disaster. I sold it, wouldn't recommend. I made a youtube video about it and tons of GR owners showed up in the comments to tell me that my opinion was wrong and I need more beatmatching skill.

I've been totally happy with my 1200M3Ds for beat matching since 2004, so I think they are ignorant to how easy it CAN be to mix on a legit turntable such as an M3D or MK2, or just they dont want to admit that their 1200GR is a bad decision.

Its not even a style thing, 1200GR just flat out sucks for long blending. You'll think you have the pitch dialed in and it will pull away and train wreck you on a pretty regular basis.

Could you post the YT link? I don't own a GR but I'm interested in seeing this issue. Thanks

edit: alright, found it :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbqvcFSYA8M

Haha yep...Its not really anything to be seen. You can boil it down to "inconsistent pitch slider behavior"

if i was in the market and not getting OG techs, i'd be looking at some Reloop RP-8000 mk2's they have .02% pitch resolution

heard nothing but good things about them

Mark_Anthony
I made a youtube video about it and tons of GR owners showed up in the comments to tell me that my opinion was wrong and I need more beatmatching skill.

Please don't take this the wrong way but those people who commented on the youtube video might well be right.

Mark_Anthony
You'll think you have the pitch dialed in and it will pull away and train wreck you on a pretty regular basis.

The problem you are having is that the records are not quite in time so over a longer period they will of course drift and train wreck!

The next problem is that people move the pitch slider way too far expecting smaller results.
If im very close to being 100% in time then i just give the pitch slider a really tiny little tap and this usually does the trick. Issues occur when this tiny movement is too far so you end up chasing the pitch, you move it down a tiny bit too far so you move it back up but probably too far as well, repeat..........
You really, really have to tap the pitch just a tiny bit so it barely moves at all. Its a different way to the old analogue decks but it works for me every time! The pitch increments are so small you can not physically move the pitch slider a small enough distance to fall between the resolution steps on the new digital Technics.

To prove what im saying i have this text from a retired Technics engineer that explains how the pitch works in the digital M5G and the older fully analogue decks, mk2, m3d, etc
Im told the new G, GR & MK7 work in a very similar way to this –

"Here's how it works, in laymen’s terms: The old 1200's just use a resistance value based on the position of the pot (slider) which is then sent to the motor control circuit, which in this case is a glorified relay turning the resistive value in to a voltage to drive the motor. So basically the resistive value was sent to another transformer (via a calibrated internal pot, hence why you can actually make old Technics go to +/-50 pitch if you really wanted) and it directly sends the voltage to the motor. The problem with this is that as pots degrade (and any one of the other 2 dozen components that allow pitch change to happen in an old 1200) the accuracy of the pitch degrades. Even things like temperature can affect resistors and caps.
The m5g's take the resistive value of the pot to a fully digital circuit which effectively constantly calculates the correct voltage to send to the motor. Yes, theoretically with any digital control there is always an argument of resolution or steps in the process, but this is actually more accurate than the error margin of resistors in the all analogue system.
Furthermore, you could not physically move the pitch slider a small enough distance to fall between the resolution steps (you can see the most tiny but relative changes if you hold an ohmmeter over the internal calibration pot contacts on a m5g).
Please note I'm using the term resolution steps for no other reason than to give an understandable picture of what I'm trying to explain (the term is technically incorrect in this instance but you hopefully get what I mean).
What I'm saying is the m5g's are more accurate than any other previous version.
They're still analogue in every way apart from how the motor control voltage is managed."

fto-dj
Please don't take this the wrong way but those people who commented on the youtube video might well be right.

Its cool man thank you for the reply. Have you actually spun on the 1200GR or are you only making your case for M5G?

fto-dj
i have this text from a retired Technics engineer that explains how the pitch works in the digital M5G and the older fully analogue decks, mk2, m3d, etc

Interesting reading, thanks for sharing.

Mark_Anthony
Have you actually spun on the 1200GR or are you only making your case for M5G?

Test drove one in a shop, they had a radio on and i bought a bag of various genres of vinyl so i was able do to a quick headphone mix with the tune on the radio, lol.
They wouldnt set up another deck for me to try both sadly.
Its hardly a proper test but it seemed to handle pretty similar to my M5G's only i'd say a bit easier and quicker to get in the mix.
I'd get a pair today if i had the money spare.

fto-dj
The problem with this is that as pots degrade (and any one of the other 2 dozen components that allow pitch change to happen in an old 1200) the accuracy of the pitch degrades. Even things like temperature can affect resistors and caps.

I think this makes sense if for example at 4% you expect it to actually be 4%. I would expect digital to be on spec and generally superior in this regard. When you're mixing vinyl this is not as important, what is important is a smooth change over a given range. You can very slightly bump, or even just lightly press, the pitch fader on an analogue pitch fader to get minute adjustments. Whether the "resolution" on a digital table is fine enough to make it match analogue in this regard I cannot say as I've not tried them.

fto-dj
Test drove one in a shop

Gotcha. The way the slider moves in response to the touch on my M3Ds was not really able to be replicated on the 1200GR. It felt less "scooty" and more "spongy" on the GR which really made me wonder if I'd actually made a change or not. I found the whole thing to be a mess and was happy as hell when someone bought it off me on Ebay.

You might find it less of an issue since you're already used to M5G. I'd really enjoy it if you came back here one day and replied once you purchased a GR. I'd like to hear your thoughts after using it full time for a couple months.

I'll put it this way. If someone gave me a paid dj gig to spin on GR's....I would not accept it because I dont believe I would be able to deliver a quality performance. MK7 I've heard does not have the same problem as GR. That came from a super reputable DJ that had a GR and ended up tucking it in away in his basement for the reasons I've mentioned above. He still loves his MK7 however.

Mark_Anthony
I'd really enjoy it if you came back here one day and replied once you purchased a GR. I'd like to hear your thoughts after using it full time for a couple months.

I defo will. I want to buy 1 as soon as i can so i can test along side my 2 M5G's and my Vestax D3Smk2.

Mark_Anthony
That came from a super reputable DJ that had a GR and ended up tucking it in away in his basement for the reasons I've mentioned above. He still loves his MK7 however.

Turning the torque down to minumum apparently makes the GR feel the same as a MK7, i had it turned down to min when i tried in the shop.

fto-dj
i had it turned down to min when i tried in the shop.

Yea I tried that too. It was better than torque level = 3, but still really hard to blend for me. There wasnt a goldilocks torque setting that felt like the M3D.

I'm wondering if they have or will issue a firmware update for the pitch control increment?

Doesn't make sense to me why they'd decide to have the increment different on the MK7 and GR.

nilecniv
I'm wondering if they have or will issue a firmware update for the pitch control increment?

Assuming they even think there's something to be fixed.

Mark_Anthony
nilecnivI'm wondering if they have or will issue a firmware update for the pitch control increment?

Assuming they even think there's something to be fixed.

fto-dj
Mark_AnthonyHave you actually spun on the 1200GR or are you only making your case for M5G?

Test drove one in a shop, they had a radio on and i bought a bag of various genres of vinyl so i was able do to a quick headphone mix with the tune on the radio, lol.
They wouldnt set up another deck for me to try both sadly.
Its hardly a proper test but it seemed to handle pretty similar to my M5G's only i'd say a bit easier and quicker to get in the mix.
I'd get a pair today if i had the money spare.

you guys need to check out the "Just Technics" youtube channel. that's what he does for a living is work on technics and he said the gr's were not made for mixing. he was having the same issue with them and the original mk7's. he's got a lot of really good videos up. but i remember something about them and the 1210 mk7's having a problem with the pitch fader and it had some dead spots in it or something and he was the only one talking about it and brought it to panasonic and they eventually corrected it and so if you're gonna get some mk7's get the 1200's they have the fixed pitch fader. some of the later produced 1210's have it fixed too but unless you know the serial numbers and check with him there's no telling what you're gonna get. def wouldn't get a used set

edit: and i believe he was having same issues with the gr's there's something wrong with the pitch on them too. been a long time since i watched the videos. oh and even though he said he owns a set of mk7's and they're ok now that they fixed the pitch issue, those and the m5g's with their digital pitch still can't touch the analog pitch on the classic decks.

traceElement
you guys need to check out the "Just Technics" youtube channel. that's what he does for a living is work on technics

No, i defo do NOT need to check out Jason from Just Technics. He is not qualified in any way to do what he does and half the time he talks a load of rubbish, especially where the M5G is concerned as he hates them and is very biased against them as he simply cannot mix on them / isnt a good enough DJ.
He wont listen to any counter argument either, not even one from an ex Technics engineer that knows exactly what he's talking about................................lol

fto-dj
traceElementyou guys need to check out the "Just Technics" youtube channel. that's what he does for a living is work on technics

No, i defo do NOT need to check out Jason from Just Technics. He is not qualified in any way to do what he does and half the time he talks a load of rubbish, especially where the M5G is concerned as he hates them and is very biased against them as he simply cannot mix on them / isnt a good enough DJ.
He wont listen to any counter argument either, not even one from an ex Technics engineer that knows exactly what he's talking about................................lol

dude he didn't say it's impossible to mix on m5g he says the digital pitch is not as good as analog pitch on mk2 - mk5. it's like i use to own a pair of Numark TTX's which had digital pitch but it only adjusted in 0.1% steps and there were just some records that couldn't lock in and if you could have adjusted it just a hair more (or less) you could've got them to stay in sync longer. those had a digital display, m5g's don't and we don't know what the pitch resolution is on them. if it's 0.1% on them then yeah analog pitch is gonna be way better.

that's why i also said is if i was in the market for new decks and i wasn't going to get tech's, the only one's i'd be looking at is the reloop rp-8000mk2's because they have a 0.02% pich resolution which would give you 5x more precise adjustment's you could make to the pitch vs something like the TTX's and also has good wow & flutter specs.

but as far as Just Technics goes, he does do nothing but work on technics and quality of his work speaks for itself so i trust him. plus he could demonstrate the dead spots on the pitch when the mk7's first released, and he wasn't the only one complaining about them! and also why now all the (dj) mk7's are 1200's regardless of the color. because that's the revision over the 1210mk7's which, most/all early serial numbered had the bad pitch. and we're lucky he brought it to panasonic's attention, through his factory rep, because at first they said it was designed like that (yeah right) then silently in the background went and fixed it without issuing a recall, which is really pathetic if you ask me.

but what are we even on about now? are you trying to say the gr's are a good choice for a dj? or that the digital pitch on m5g is as good as analog on mk5? or you just don't like Just Technics? because he's got a lot of good info on the channel. that and if I lived in UK that would be the only person i'd let work on my decks. especially seeing the stuff other shops are doing.

Appreciate the replies. Just want to reiterate that I would not recommend GR for anyone that wants to mix house and techno. I did it for a month and absolutely hated the behavior. You can justify it all you want but its basically like handicapping yourself while playing. I'm sure the blends CAN be done but why do to yourself when the old 1200 models do it 5x easier.

traceElement
it's like i use to own a pair of Numark TTX's which had digital pitch but it only adjusted in 0.1% steps and there were just some records that couldn't lock in and if you could have adjusted it just a hair more (or less) you could've got them to stay in sync longer. those had a digital display

Yep i get that, i had a pair of the original TTX decks and after that i got a pair of the epic Numark X2 hybrids but they all suffered pitch increments of 0.1% which like you say is way too big. They need to be more like 0.01%.

traceElement
m5g's don't and we don't know what the pitch resolution is on them.

They dont need a digital display though!
The step increment on an M5G / G / GR / MK7 is so small you cant really measure it as i said above if you'd read it all ;)
Its just that people move the pitch slider too far so they *think* the increments are bigger but they are tiny.
You just need to nudge the pitch slider less, like way less, like 0.1mm, just a tiny flick with your finger - which some people seem to be unable to do............

fto-dj
You just need to nudge the pitch slider less, like way less, like 0.1mm, just a tiny flick with your finger - which some people seem to be unable to do............

What if I'm wasted? :D

What is this....A TURNTABLE FOR ANTS?????

Mark_Anthony
What is this....A TURNTABLE FOR ANTS?????

Lol, yeah for ants or small people ;)

Im just telling you the technique i use that works for me.
Once i had an understanding of how the digital pitch works i was able to hold great mixes after a couple hours practice.
It baffles me how people complain and can't seem to get the hang of it!

fto-dj
Once i had an understanding of how the digital pitch works i was able to hold great mixes after a couple hours practice.
It baffles me how people complain and can't seem to get the hang of it!

Which turntable model specifically? If you're talking about M5G, and I'm talking about 1200GR, the conversation is not pointless...but...confusing I'll say. I would not assume that an M5G and 1200GR would behave the same. At all.

Mark_Anthony
Which turntable model specifically?

M5G's are my daily drivers for the last 15 years along with a Vestax d3SmkII, both digital pitch!!

Mark_Anthony
I would not assume that an M5G and 1200GR would behave the same. At all.

Actually the pitches work in nearly the same way but the GR is supposed to be a tad easier to use in low torgue mode. I would agree with that as i said before i have tried a GR in a shop and it did indeed seem to be slightly easier to beat mix with.

fto-dj
Mark_AnthonyI made a youtube video about it and tons of GR owners showed up in the comments to tell me that my opinion was wrong and I need more beatmatching skill.
Please don't take this the wrong way but those people who commented on the youtube video might well be right.

Mark_AnthonyYou'll think you have the pitch dialed in and it will pull away and train wreck you on a pretty regular basis.
The problem you are having is that the records are not quite in time so over a longer period they will of course drift and train wreck!

The next problem is that people move the pitch slider way too far expecting smaller results.
If im very close to being 100% in time then i just give the pitch slider a really tiny little tap and this usually does the trick. Issues occur when this tiny movement is too far so you end up chasing the pitch, you move it down a tiny bit too far so you move it back up but probably too far as well, repeat..........
You really, really have to tap the pitch just a tiny bit so it barely moves at all. Its a different way to the old analogue decks but it works for me every time! The pitch increments are so small you can not physically move the pitch slider a small enough distance to fall between the resolution steps on the new digital Technics.

To prove what im saying i have this text from a retired Technics engineer that explains how the pitch works in the digital M5G and the older fully analogue decks, mk2, m3d, etc
Im told the new G, GR & MK7 work in a very similar way to this –

"Here's how it works, in laymen’s terms: The old 1200's just use a resistance value based on the position of the pot (slider) which is then sent to the motor control circuit, which in this case is a glorified relay turning the resistive value in to a voltage to drive the motor. So basically the resistive value was sent to another transformer (via a calibrated internal pot, hence why you can actually make old Technics go to +/-50 pitch if you really wanted) and it directly sends the voltage to the motor. The problem with this is that as pots degrade (and any one of the other 2 dozen components that allow pitch change to happen in an old 1200) the accuracy of the pitch degrades. Even things like temperature can affect resistors and caps.
The m5g's take the resistive value of the pot to a fully digital circuit which effectively constantly calculates the correct voltage to send to the motor. Yes, theoretically with any digital control there is always an argument of resolution or steps in the process, but this is actually more accurate than the error margin of resistors in the all analogue system.
Furthermore, you could not physically move the pitch slider a small enough distance to fall between the resolution steps (you can see the most tiny but relative changes if you hold an ohmmeter over the internal calibration pot contacts on a m5g).
Please note I'm using the term resolution steps for no other reason than to give an understandable picture of what I'm trying to explain (the term is technically incorrect in this instance but you hopefully get what I mean).
What I'm saying is the m5g's are more accurate than any other previous version.
They're still analogue in every way apart from how the motor control voltage is managed."

Thanks for sharing this.

I'm curious if there has been any change to the engineering of the pitch in the GR2.

Yea man. All I know is that I'm happy as hell to not be fucking around on that GR any longer. Thing was a nightmare to me. If someone else loves it, good for them.

Mark_Anthony
Thing was a nightmare to me.

Horses for courses innit tho.
I hate using old unserviced, iffy pitched, horrible feeling mk2's and there's enough of those unloved ones about. Way too many in fact!

fto-dj
I hate using old unserviced, iffy pitched, horrible feeling mk2's and there's enough of those unloved ones about. Way too many in fact!

That's really true. Suppose I had to re-enter the used turntable market because one of my M3D finally broke one day. I'd be so stressed out. I'd probably resign to paying thousands to the one jackass on ebay that had one sitting in a box new.

fto-dj
Mark_AnthonyThing was a nightmare to me.

Horses for courses innit tho.
I hate using old unserviced, iffy pitched, horrible feeling mk2's and there's enough of those unloved ones about. Way too many in fact!

Yes, many original parts becoming obsolete now. Would be nice to have a premium modern day 1200 w/o sacrifices.

This weekend I had a chance to spin on a pair of M5Gs for the first time. Absolutely loved it. Thought that was pretty relevant to this discussion.

I very nearly purchased a mint looking second hand pair back in 2017 or 2018, not that long after, or whenever they first came out? From a couple which happened to live two minutes walk from my old workplace. I tried them out twice round their place in one week for a good two hours altogether. The guy seemed to be very eager to get rid of them. I just couldn't get used to the pitch as the OP first mentioned, so ended up declining. Even though they're very expensive, I would've bought them anyway if it wasn't for the pitch. They're stunning decks though. I sometimes partly regret not buying them even though I would've got into debt at the time.

Mark_Anthony...maybee the issue is that the digital pitch is too sensitive and the increments are too small rather than vice verca ?

jondavey
Mark_Anthony...maybee the issue is that the digital pitch is too sensitive and the increments are too small rather than vice verca ?

I'm not sure but they were completely miserable for me.

Mark_Anthony do you typically ride the pitch or touch the platter?

Still curious about how the pitch in the 1200GR2 and if it differs from the 1200GR...

I've even found the MK7 pitches to take some getting used to coming from the MK2 and MK5. They seem too sensitive. I prefer to ride the pitch, but felt on the MK7 it was easier for me to get it close via pitch then touch the platter as needed.

jondavey
maybee the issue is that the digital pitch is too sensitive and the increments are too small

This is exactly what the issue is and most people just don't get it.

They move the pitch too far up then find that they have to move it back down a bit but then they also do that too much and this just continues. Up, down, up, down all mix long......

All you have to do is move the pitch a tiny, tiny amount when you are nearly in time, its so easy but people seem stuck in their old ways of using a mk2 so they just slag off the newer Technics and the older M5G when the real problem is their own technique ;)

fto-dj
their own technic ;)

lol I had to play off your pun. Even if that's the case, how am I going to move the slider 3 microns while I'm rolling face and mixing? Not a realistic scenario :D

Mark_Anthony
Even if that's the case, how am I going to move the slider 3 microns while I'm rolling face and mixing? Not a realistic scenario :D

Just tap it slightly, give a tiny flick. If you think its not moved at all then you are doing it right. If you can actually see it move then you've probably moved it too much.

Can you drive different cars? Can you use different PC mouse? Can you adjust to using anything that you're not used to?
Sorry but i seriously don't understand why people say they can't mix on digital Technics decks.....

fto-dj
If you think its not moved at all then you are doing it right.

Design flaw.

Mark_Anthony
Design flaw.

What in your mixing ability ;)

fto-dj
What in your mixing ability ;)

My mixing is like high-level nunchuck display ;)

nilecniv

I've even found the MK7 pitches to take some getting used to coming from the MK2 and MK5. They seem too sensitive. I prefer to ride the pitch, but felt on the MK7 it was easier for me to get it close via pitch then touch the platter as needed.

On the back cover of the Sotofett WANIA MK1 is written "Never use Technics 1210 MK 7 in clubs!" And for good reason... ;)

Mark_Anthony
I'm not sure but they were completely miserable for me.

I am resurecxting this thread as I now have a 1210 MK7. I git it spesificaly for the superpitch ability as I seeem to have lots of records that are at way different speeds. I can now conferm I hate it ! I can't hold a mix together for the life of me. While I feel completely confident still with the othet turntable I have which is a MK5. I used to mix on crappy gemini turntables for years whith no problem and beforew I got the MK7 I had no issues. I come here really just for some assurence that it really is a sensitivity issue and I just aren't tuned into the controll yet.....is thad did seem to be the overall consensus...is this the problem ?

I think they just suck man

jondavey
I can't hold a mix together for the life of me

Why not? What is the actual problem?
You really don't say anything to describe what is going on so its very tricky to offer any advice............

fto-dj
Why not? What is the actual problem?

...for example, with the MK5, I can place the pitch into the right position where it's in the mix and just leave it there and it stays in the mix. It's also easier to find that sweet spot. Where with the MK7 I struggle tro find the spot where the records are in sync and then when I do it doesn't stay there then when I'm trying to fudge the track back or foward into the mix it overreacts. Maybeee I have the torque setting wring or something ? Beeen mixing on all kinds of turntrables since 1991 and never had any issues like ths.

Mark_Anthony
I think they just suck man

did you get rid of yours ?

On any new Technics deck that has a torque adjustment you should set it to the lowest for DJing as it acts much more like the previous analogue models.\
The new pitch is far more adjustable which is probably the issue you are having.

Do you find it holds a mix for a short period then falls out so you adjust the pitch accordingly but you have probably adjusted it too much so then after a while the mix will fall out of time in the other direction so you adjust the pitch back a bit but you moved it too far again..............then repeat all this.

What you need to do is adjust the pitch with much smaller, finer movements. This seems tricky but just tap it a tiny bit with your finger nail, like flicking it. If you can see that the pitch fader has moved then you have probably moved it too far, the adjustments are that tiny!!!!

I have mixed on so many different decks over the years as well but i have to say once you have got the hang of the Technics digital pitch then imo they are the best decks. I can take 2 identical records and play them together in full and they stay locked all the way. This does not happen on Hanpin OEM decks, the pitch adjustment on those is stepped at 0.1% which is not enough for long blends, you need a pitch that goes down to at least 0.01% increments which the Technics can do and less if you can move the pitch that smaller of an amount!

Just keep practising those tiny adjustments with the pitch, im sure you will get there

Goce.chekorov
maybe i need to adjust the torque(i havent touched anything under the platter since I bought them)

Yeah adjust the torque to its lowest setting as its much easier to mix on GR's